Computerlopnik: (Update:  sent it on the water cooling) I guess I'm doing a new build

"ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com" (ita97) 02/17/2019 at 18:35 • Filed to: None

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Update: I poked around online looking at all the various cpu cooling options and ended up sending it with a EVGA CLC 280mm AIO. Budget wise, this means an nvme drive will have to be a future upgrade . A 280mm AIO is overkill for my current 65 watt TDP Ryzen 7 1700 that I’ll be swapping into the new build , but I’ll certainly be able to determine just what that chip can do (It does a 3.4ghz all core over clock with a crappy oem D ell cooler, but the vrm on the crappy dell board turns molten even at stock clock speeds under load). This should be ample cooling capacity for a future 2700x/ryzen 3rd gen upgrade down the road.  

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After putting in my new !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! (with my old RX580 getting a second life with an Oppo!), it turns out I’ve gone on an Amazon spree the last few days that is going to result in a mostly new build. This is basically going to be building the PC I wanted to build last year, but ended up going with a Dell pre-built gaming machine because of insanity on the GPU market at the height of the crypto craze.

Fractal Design Define R6, with the front USB-C and a tempered glass window so I can enjoy staring at my toy. I’m done with Dell’s 5675 case and 92mm fan mounts.

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An MSI X470 Gaming 7 AC board, because I’m also done dealing with Dell’s crappy X370 board and locked down BIOS that allows basically nothing beyond setting boot drive order. Screw that board.

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A pair of 16GB Corsair LPX ram sticks at 3200mhz. 32 GB at 3200 ought to work for as long I’m going to run DDR4. I’ve never run properly fast RAM before, so I’m curious to try it out and see what I might gain. It looks like I should be able to recoup a decent part of the cost selling my current RAM sticks.

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These parts will go along with the RX590 I picked this past week. The plan for now is to swap my Ryzen 7 1700 into the new board with an eye to upgrading it down the road. X-plane 11 in particular would benefit from more clock speed. However, my 1700 has worked well. It’ll run at an 3.4ghz all core overclock even with a crappy cooler and a case that doesn’t exhaust hot air from the CPU area well.

I’ve got some decisions to make on CPU cooling. I’d like to run something like a Corsair H115i AIO for lots of future 2700x or Ryzen 3rd gen cooling and not lots of noise, but I may initially run the new build on the OEM heat sink and fan I’ve currently got.

I also have to decide on my storage options. Currently I’m running a Crucial MX500 SSD, 500GB, as a boot drive and steam library, with the Toshiba 1TB 7200RPM drive the machine came with as a media/document library. I’d love to pickup something like a Samsung 970 Evo Plus NVME in 250GB or 500GB as a boot drive, but I’m not sure I can justify the cost. I don’t think I really have an nvme use case, other that it would be neat. My understanding is that nvme doesn’t gain much, if anything, over any good modern SSD as an OS drive.

Most likely is that I’ll just pickup another MX500 SSD and use one as the boot drive and steam library, and the other as the media/document library. I’d like to make my 1TB drive into a cold storage backup drive that I only hookup for occasional refreshing of the backup.

I’ll have to pickup a windows key, since my current windows 10 home license is an OEM one tied to the Dell board. Fortunately, I can get a Windows 10 education license for personal use via the university for $15, so I’ll gain most of the enterprise features of windows 10. Bitlocker is probably the only one I’ll use for the most part.

The PSU will be easy in swapping over the Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 750w that I grafted into the current machine.

BeaterGT > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 02/17/2019 at 00:03

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That’s a hell of a build. And agreed, screw that Dell mobo. So glad pc parts are returning to ‘ normal’ prices.

Grindintosecond > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 02/17/2019 at 00:11

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i am completely happy with a B450m mortar motherboard that cost me half what your paying there for the x470. I’m clocking a  1500x at 4.0 all cores with it. I suggest waiting till fall to get a cpu, the 3k ryzens will be out then. theyre a big jump. Good luck! enjoy it!

facw > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 02/17/2019 at 00:12

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A pair of 16GB Corsair LPX ram sticks at 3200mhz. 32 GB at 3200 ought to work for as long I’m going to run DDR4 

Check the compatibility list. I have 32GB of 3200MHz Corsair LPX, and it doesn’t quite work right on my MSI Z370M Gaming Pro AC. It’s fine at SPD timings (2132MHz), but at 3200MHz XMP timings , I get bluescreens on boot probably half the time. If it boots, I have no issues, and it passes Memtest 86 for days, so I figure it must be some sort of quick boot thing that’s tripping it up.

I’d imagine an AMD system would be different enough that my incompatibility  doesn’t mean anything, but just a reminder to check those lists (I was very sloppy about this, since I’ve never had issues before).

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > facw 02/17/2019 at 00:13

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Those ram sticks are on the QVL for board, in both Samsung and Micron dies.

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > Grindintosecond 02/17/2019 at 00:15

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That may happen.  I’ll have to save some pennies for awhile before the CPU upgrade, and that will probably put me around the time 3rd gen Ryzen is coming out.

facw > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 02/17/2019 at 00:22

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Sounds like a good build overall. I’m still in the air cooling era, as a giant air cooler seems better from a noise and longevity standpoint. It is however another place where I should have checked the compatibility list closer:

It turns out the Noctua NH-D15 is big, a bit too big. I tried to take out the video card a couple weeks ago, and it was not happening. Not sure I can do it without removing the Noctua first to reach the PCI-E latch.

Also a reminder that if you want to join Miss Mercedes in VR X-Plane land (it sounds like a nice place), Microsoft has been blowing out Windows Mixed Reality headsets. I picked up the Acer last month for $200, and currently the HP is the same price: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/hp-windows-mixed-reality-headset-with-motion-controllers/8n5g0j1qf74b/5jp3

facw > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 02/17/2019 at 00:27

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Nice. Obviously the form-factor is pretty nice, especially if you are air cooling. The most recent BIOS update for my board promised memory compatibility enhancements, so I’m hoping that will work well when I get around to flashing it.

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > facw 02/17/2019 at 00:41

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I’m leaning towards punting on the AIO and ordering a Cryorig M9a from Amazon for $25 . That would be an improvement in both cooling and noise from the OEM dell setup I’ve got now.  I could then come back to the cpu cooling question when I’m ready to upgrade down the road.

facw > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 02/17/2019 at 00:57

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Hmm, don’t know that one. Price is right, though the Amazon Q&A says you have to send off for an AM4 adapter separately (another says their’s came with the adapter) ? Also it’s only 92mm? These are roughly the same price and seem like they’d work out of the box (though I don’t know how the cooling compares):

https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Contac-Silent-Support-CL-P039-AL12BL/dp/B06X9Q1K88

https://www.amazon.com/DEEPCOOL-GAMMAXX-400-Heatpipes-Compatible/dp/B007JEMXYQ

https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Freezer-33-Passive-Performance/dp/B06WV898Y1

Grindintosecond > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 02/17/2019 at 08:35

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Watch ram prices on some 16gb team dark cl14 kits . Anything at 3200 and cl14 is pretty much samsung die. Ryzen looooves tight timings over speed. 

Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 02/17/2019 at 09:22

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You may not need a new license as I believe they are now tied to the person and not the hardware. I had trouble when I moved from a crappy HP board to a Gigabyte; when I contacted Microsoft they had me re-enter the Win7 key from the HP to get Win10 working on the new board, but YMMV...

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 02/17/2019 at 09:54

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I STILL haven’t gotten my build up and running because it turns out my chinesium PSU was a dud. I hope. Otherwise it’s my MoBo. New $$$ name brand one will be here tomorrow.

I thought it was suspicious that only no-brand TFX PSUs  were available with more than 300W.

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. 02/17/2019 at 09:56

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My understanding is that the license being tied to a person is now the way it works except for OEM licenses that are tied to the board.  I've read about folks being successful in what described when you've got a 7/8 key and they'll treat it like a Windows 10 upgrade.  

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 02/17/2019 at 10:20

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A good PSU will pay dividends. You’ll also probably still be using it many builds from now.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 02/17/2019 at 10:24

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This was supposed to be a budget build tho  -_-

Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 02/17/2019 at 10:54

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Mine was the OEM license that came with the HP, so you might want to try it on yours before buying new software. But $15 isn’t a bad price, especially if it takes you from H ome to Pro.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 02/17/2019 at 11:51

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If you have a Win7 or 8.1 license you can still upgrade to 10 for free. Microsoft hasn’t shut that down even though they officially ended the program. I took advantage of that last week. Install 7 or 8.1 and activate it, then download and install 10. It’ll carry over your activation.

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 02/17/2019 at 12:45

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That’s the thing. I don’t have a 7 or 8.1 license. I rocked a laptop with vista for a very long time, and then got out of gaming and just did phone/tablet computing primarily with borrowing a family members laptop as needed.

I bought the current machine last January with 10. I’ve only got the OEM 10, which folks don’t seem to have much success transferring. For 15$ to get a legit Windows 10 education license I can’t complain. Education is essentially Widows 10 enterprise without the long term servicing option and a few server management features disabled.

I can also get Office 2019 professional plus for personal use for $15. I might as well take advantage of a few perks of  working for the university, because good pay isn’t one of them.

jimz > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 02/17/2019 at 21:16

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did you say “CLC”?

I’m comfortable staying one step behind on the GPU, and a 1070 seems to be serving me well. I could do without the stupid LED stuff, tho

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > jimz 02/17/2019 at 21:38

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Yes, as in this guy.

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=400-HY-CL28-V1

I’m going to learn I how feel about lighting, but at least everything on the build will be controllable/can be turned off.

I hear you on the GPU. I’m happy with a RX590. I’d have to have better monitor to justify more gpu, and prices on 29"+ 1440p or 4k monitors with fast refresh rates haven’t fallen to a level I consider reasonable yet. For the time being I’m happy at 1080p on a big speedy monitor.

jimz > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 02/18/2019 at 12:44

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heh, I’m not overclocking (and my Core i5 has the old inferior TIM under the heatspreader) so there’s no reason for me to do a dual-fan radiator for the CPU.  GPU, maybe, but the single manages to keep the GPU under 42°C playing games at 4k w/o the fan needing to scream.